What Derby in Scandinavia is acturly the biggest?

I just wonder cause i was reading about the Danes became upset while AIK called the Derby betwen AIK and Djurgården "The biggest derby of Scandinavia". What is exacly the arguments about that? Is it about the audience?

Well, I'm totaly sure that the other Derbies in Scandinavia is not as big as the Stockholm derby betwen Djurgården and AIK. There is too much tradition about the rivality betwen the clubs, and I can't acturly see why any other Derby in Scandinavia shuld ever try to be as big as the Djurgården-AIK derby?

1. There is a traditional rivality betwen those clubs since 1891 while they was founded.
2. They have been rivals in Football, Hockey and Bandy. Not just playing against each other, they have played classic finals (1914 Finals in Bandy, 1984 Finals in Hockey, 2002 Swedish cup finals).
3. The tradition is much older and much more well known among people who do not even care about football or sports at all.

Why is the audience so low?
In Denmark and Norway, the media don't whant to scare people away from the games, they encourages people to go and see the games. In Sweden, the media and the Football association just try to scare people away from the games. They latest today let the game be played in the early afternoon (Morning for me acturly).

Why is the Danes try to make the Copenhagen derby bigger than the Stockholm derby?

IMO the Stockholm derby is bigger in the terminologies that you use, traditions etc. no doubt on that one.

But you're saying that the danish medias aren't trying to scare people, that's a big fat lie! Everytime there has been the littlest troubles at a match, they blow it up as the craziest, and still keep on making new regulations all the time at the different stadiums. So on that point Denmark and Sweden are equal.

Okay, but I think we can agree that mass media tries to scare people from the matches, no matter what country it is (would not surprise me if it was the same in Iceland).

But what I mean by that is the biggest and greatest rivalry in which it feels as if the Derby in Stockholm is much larger than Denmark's derby and it does seem likely that we can agree on pretty good.

Now I say of course not, no other derbies in Scandinavia is large and loaded, on the contrary. And it's obviously fun but I still think that the Stockholm derby should be classed as a bit more rivalry in the light of history behind the derby and that we indeed have been great rivals in Sweden's two biggest sports, football and hockey, at least 50 years.

The difference between the derbys of Stockholm and the Copenhagen derby is, that the history from the swedish derbys go way back in history, and it also consider Icehockey/maybe Bandy, dont know.

I went to a Stockholm derby once. (I think it was 98/99) AIK - DIF, the first derbymatch in, I believe in five years between the clubs, due to DIFs relegation years before. This match was a big experience back then for me. Theres no doubt about the hatred the two clubs has towards eachother. I enjoyed the atmosphere, the exitement, the riots and the hate. Today I see exactly the same level of atmosphere, exitement, riots and hate at the Copenhagen derby. My opinion is not that the Copenhagen derby is as "big" as some of the Stockholm derbys, but in my point of view, the derby of Copenhagen is "way bigger" than it was ten years ago.. (Due to the growing supporterculture in Denmark).

What is concidered as the biggest derby in Stockholm?

I cant stop thinking about that theirs three clubs in Stockholm, two of the clubs has been relegated several times for the last decade. Is it like, "now its AIK vs. DIF thats the biggest derby, and when HIF get some succes, then it is AIK vs. HIF who's the biggest derby?

In Denmark theres only one derby, and thats a massive one..

Bad2theBone @ May 16 2010, 02:05 AM wrote: The difference between the derbys of Stockholm and the Copenhagen derby is, that the history from the swedish derbys go way back in history, and it also consider Icehockey/maybe Bandy, dont know.

I went to a Stockholm derby once. (I think it was 98/99) AIK - DIF, the first derbymatch in, I believe in five years between the clubs, due to DIFs relegation years before. This match was a big experience back then for me. Theres no doubt about the hatred the two clubs has towards eachother. I enjoyed the atmosphere, the exitement, the riots and the hate. Today I see exactly the same level of atmosphere, exitement, riots and hate at the Copenhagen derby. My opinion is not that the Copenhagen derby is as "big" as some of the Stockholm derbys, but in my point of view, the derby of Copenhagen is "way bigger" than it was ten years ago.. (Due to the growing supporterculture in Denmark).

What is concidered as the biggest derby in Stockholm?

I cant stop thinking about that theirs three clubs in Stockholm, two of the clubs has been relegated several times for the last decade. Is it like, "now its AIK vs. DIF thats the biggest derby, and when HIF get some succes, then it is AIK vs. HIF who's the biggest derby?

In Denmark theres only one derby, and thats a massive one..

You have a very good point in what you say. How is really the biggest derby in Scandinavia? Would you measure the audience, then IFK Göteborg-Örgryte IS was the largest in 2002, and years after, it was Djurgarden-Hammarby, Or FCK-BIF, which matches the most preferred audience.

What I mean is the derby between Djurgården and AIK probably has the most hateful mood, given that the two clubs almost created in 1891 to be rivals. About a similar story behind the two clubs' rivalry that it is in Manchester between Manchester United and City.

But as I said, you have one good point in how much the measure which is greater? I think it is and remains a subjective perception.

hello i'm not scandinavian nor european. may i give my opinion here? i think it will be more objective that people from other area give opinion about this. for me AIK vs Djurgardens is the best derby in the Scandinavian. i read many articles about both clubs history then i see how the fans prepare for the derby in this site (scandinavia talks and derby photos in ultra style) and in the youtube. newspaper, magazine can lie to us because they write what they want to write, but youtube at least you can watch with your eyes.

I think Sweden other derby rivalry is great too like clubs from Stockholm versus clubs from Goteborg and Helsingborg (Malmo has good tifo too but i don't know their casuals), although Denmark has one good derby Kobenhavn vs Brondby.

semarang @ Jul 24 2010, 06:21 AM wrote: hello i'm not scandinavian nor european. may i give my opinion here? i think it will be more objective that people from other area give opinion about this. for me AIK vs Djurgardens is the best derby in the Scandinavian. i read many articles about both clubs history then i see how the fans prepare for the derby in this site (scandinavia talks and derby photos in ultra style) and in the youtube. newspaper, magazine can lie to us because they write what they want to write, but youtube at least you can watch with your eyes.

I think Sweden other derby rivalry is great too like clubs from Stockholm versus clubs from Goteborg and Helsingborg (Malmo has good tifo too but i don't know their casuals), although Denmark has one good derby Kobenhavn vs Brondby.

you dont have any idea my friend.. pictures on internet and presentations isnt everything..

aik - djurgården
malmö ff - helsingborg
göteborg - gais

with the better groups of supporters on the left side

You cannot compare, derbies. There are so many different factors, when you talk about the games. For many People, involved theres a huge diffrence, in my eyes as a dane, the copenhagen Derby though i'am not a part of it, is today the biggest in Scandinavia, Though both AIK and DIF are older as clubs, the two clubs who founded FCK (KB 1876, B1903) are just as old, and the fight against Brøndby started allready when Brøndby emerged to the main league in the 80'ies. But i'ts true that Sweden has more derbies than Denmark has, or bigger matches.

DKFD @ Jul 29 2010, 10:19 AM wrote: You cannot compare, derbies. There are so many different factors, when you talk about the games. For many People, involved theres a huge diffrence, in my eyes as a dane, the copenhagen Derby though i'am not a part of it, is today the biggest in Scandinavia, Though both AIK and DIF are older as clubs, the two clubs who founded FCK (KB 1876, B1903) are just as old, and the fight against Brøndby started allready when Brøndby emerged to the main league in the 80'ies. But i'ts true that Sweden has more derbies than Denmark has, or bigger matches.

Okey, let's make an agreement about this. The derby betwen Djurgården and AIK is older and have much more History, while the Copenhagen derby is younger and have more resent history.

But if we count by attendance it is allways different derbies for every year. In 2002, i think it was something around 42 000 people watched IFK Göteborg - Örgryte IS, so back then was the biggest derby of Scandinavia IFK-ÖIS. In this year it is much more crowd in the Copenhagen derby so the Copenhagen derby is the biggest right now.

And on the other hand, for the Stockholm derby, if we talk about rivality History, the biggest derby in Scandinavia is Assyriska - Syrianska. That rivality has been going on for over 1000 years.

But if we talk about sport, and not political rivality, is the Stockholm derby the game with most Historical rivality. And if we talk about sports today, the Copenhagen derby is the biggest derby in Scandinavia.

So as a conclusion (In my oppinion):
The biggest derby right now in Scandinavia is FCK vs Brøndby
The derby with most sports rivality is Djurgården vs AIK
The oldest rivality is Assyriska vs Syrianska

I know that we can't compare a Södertälje derby with a Copenhagen or Stockholm derby but i think it's interesting with the fact about rivality betwen Assyrian and Syrian.

Norway have no derbies, so you swedes and danes can fight over that one. I'm putting my money on Sweden though.

Gius @ Aug 17 2010, 09:32 PM wrote: Interesting debate! 5 years ago, when the Copenhagen derby was at its peak i would've said that was the biggest for sure, but now i think the Sthlm might be bigger.

The Copenhagen derby have been going down hill the last 3 years. Due to many factors. Many bans and extreme media coverage of even the slightest trouble in the crowd, nowadays its all about making families and sponsors feel safe and entertained while the real fans who crie and bleed are treated as second class citizens. And the fact the fck have been dominating danish football for a long time and Brøndby have been very poor for a very long time. And its only a realy exciting game when we play in Copenhagen, due to the fact that fck fans are to scared to come to Brøndby!

How many people attend the swedish derby on average?

Around 6000 in Allsvenskan... The smallest in this zone as I would expect cause I think the better leagues like the Danish and Norwegian would bring more people than a Swedish regular league game betwen Häcken and Gefle...

And you know it has been the same in Sweden since the beginning of the 90's? Back then, they were afrain of Hockey hooligans so the moved all the hockey games from the Classic Johanneshov (Or Hovet) to Globen, were they only had seaters and no stands at all. As well, we all know what how it went: They killed the Stockholm Hockey culture. I don't think it was noticed until the late 90's, and the only thing that saved the Stockholm hockey was the fact that Djurgården won two titles in the beginning of the 2000's (99/00 and 00/01). But after that was Djurgården got more and more bad and AIK were relegated to the second division and it would be like that until this season (That was the season of 2001/02).

After the Hockey culture slowly died out, the Football culture took over almost everything! In a regular game, all of the three Stockholm teams had more that 13 000 at their games! It became bigger and bigger with football in Stockholm after the success of Sweden in USA '94, and it only growed bigger. In 1998, Sweden failed to qualify for the WC in France, but AIK won the league in 1998, and were playing Champions League in 1999/00. After that was it almost only Helsingborg that got any European success with a Champions league place in 2000/01 (By beat Inter in the qualification round). And Hammarby won the league in 2001, Djurgården 2002, 2003 and 2005 and on that stage, the Stockholm football was the biggest and the best of Sweden (I wouldn't say Scandinavia since both Denmark and Norway had more successful teams in Europe than Sweden).

But today is it back to were we were in the late 90's, but with the Football games lose their audience and Hockey games get more and more exiting! What that depends on is hard to say. The Swedish football league don't have the same exitement as they used to have for about 8 years ago, we have no teams at all in Europe and the swedish national football team failed to any new success. We don't have any dreams about being bigger, we only know it can be worse in Sweden cause the SvFF rape their own costumers (The real supporters that is still trying to go and watch a Swedish football game)! But on the other hand, the Hockey culture is growing bigger and bigger, and that is also hard to find out why it has come to this. Mayebe because Djurgården's and AIK's success the last season. Or maybe it is because they don't put the same preasure on their teams as they used to do after 8 years of bad Hockey. But I know one thing: The Swedish Football federation is fucking their own supporters in their ass! And that gives effects on the Stockholm derby, and that is why nobody cares about the Football derbies anymore in Stockholm!